Subject: Re: [harryproa] polyisocyanurate
From: "=?UTF-8?B?QmrDtnJu?= bjornmail@gmail.com [harryproa]" <harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au>
Date: 10/25/2018, 3:38 PM
To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au
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harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au

 

Or did I misunderstand you? Why should I care how core thickness and shear modulus are linked to the compressive/tensile modulus and thickness of the skins?  

My "feeling" (haven't made any attempts to prove it with math) is that if the core modulus is low, the skins will behave close to the case when there is simply air between them. So will deflect a lot from a small force, and will be very weak.

But my main point was that to optimize the composite (weight and/or strength) all links in the chain needs to be equally strong. Otherwise the chain is heavy, because all links could have been either made as light as the lightest link, or as strong as the strongest link.

On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 12:29 PM '.' eruttan@yahoo.com [harryproa] <harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au> wrote:
 



| One interesting point is the modulus of elasticity. That is something I was missing in the simple calculations of sandwich panels which I made.
| The core thickness and shear modulus has to be somehow linked to the compressive/tensile modulus and thickness of the skins, right?

I do not see why. This condition is relevant only in overload, right?

| I think that during bending, ideally, the elongation of the skins at failure should align with the shear deformation of the core at failure. If not, either of the materials will not be fully utilized.

You are talking overload conditions, right? We need to remember the composite, I think, should be fine under expected loads, plus some safety factor.

Planning what happens beyond that is less interesting to me, Although it would be good to know what approaching failure and failure look like. Like, cracking gelcoat was interesting. I wonder where house paint would crack as we climb the safety factor to yield.

I feel less interested because I think we should optimize composites around cheap, light, and low labour, not around failure, and failing 'properly'. I don't care if the skin or the core fails first. I care it does not happen until I am nearly past my safety factor. Perhaps I care that I expect one to fail first, and when failure happens like I expect, I feel smart and that I understand composites well. But then, I imagine, that might be the least important thing on my mind in that moment my boat makes a new noise.

The hexcel sheet, as I see it, allows an understanding of composite panels to some first order. I think that is enough for me. I can move on to building a boat cheaper...

Or did I misunderstand you? Why should I care how core thickness and shear modulus are linked to the compressive/tensile modulus and thickness of the skins?

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