Subject: Re: [harryproa] Schooner vs. Telescoping
From: "StoneTool owly@ttc-cmc.net [harryproa]" <harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au>
Date: 11/20/2018, 9:27 AM
To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au
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harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au

 

Doug:
    What did you specifically dislike about the Ballestron rig?    I've heard nothing negative about them from people who actually sailed them....   The "usual suspects" of course can't say anything good about anything that isn't 100% conventional.........

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On 11/20/18 2:53 AM, Doug Haines doha720@yahoo.co.uk [harryproa] wrote:
 
Schooner was great. 
Didn't like the ballestron.

Only had a little trouble with schooner if trying to sail on only the aft sial.
Could sail on only forward sail on its own with no worries.

May or may not be exactly similar handling for other Harrys. 
Could be by boat was lacking in build quality in the mast and sails department.

Never seemed to be an issue, mostly just laziness of only wanting to raise both sails.

Doug
WA

On ‎Tuesday‎, ‎20‎ ‎November‎ ‎2018‎ ‎04‎:‎34‎:‎25‎ ‎PM‎ ‎AWST, Rob Denney harryproa@gmail.com [harryproa] <harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au> wrote:


 
oops
when required.   Single mast, single sail shunting requires a lot more finesses than schooner shunting.

The other way to shunt reliably is to lift the new front rudder which moves the clr aft of the coe.

On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 3:01 PM Rob Denney <harryproa@gmail.com> wrote:
Pulling telescoping masts up and down is more effort than it is worth, plus there are additional things to break and go wrong.  Taller schooner rigs will give you light air performance and reef when re

On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 11:48 AM Rick Willoughby rickwill@bigpond.net.au [harryproa] <harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au> wrote:
 

That is providing the shunt does not fail. If the shunt fails you are just going sideways unless you can shift the CLR aft or the CoE forward or both.  The big rudders will do the first providing you have water depth to play with.  The schooner rig will do the latter.  So with big rudders and schooner rig it would be extremely unlikely for a shunt to fail and should never be caught in irons.  May not be able to tack but should always be able to shunt successfully without motor assist.


With the 18m proa the rudders are just on the verge of being able to sail out of irons but it takes minutes of going sideways with the leading rudder perpendicular and the aft rudder in line to get it to slowly swing off the wind.  When tight tacking in a narrow channel we have the windward thruster energised and ready to drop down if needed to get moving after a shunt.   

Rick

On 19 Nov 2018, at 10:50 am, Mike Crawford mcrawf@nuomo.com [harryproa] <harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au> wrote:

The good news is that with the proa I'd never have to worry about blowing a tack to close to shore and then heading into the rocks.  


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