Hi bjorn,

Ad a practice in a shunt, i always followed the procedure of sheeting on the front sail first (sailing solo), which got the boat moving under way and with steerage. Then you could sheet in aft sail. If done other way round then may not get enough speed/way before has pointed into the wind.
Maybe flat bottomef hulls would bite more in the water and not round up so quicklg as tje round bilge that i had.

Reefing was no problems. Easy to luff up, drift sedways and put in reefs. Yes, took a little time (like 5 minutes), but no stress, no flappind sails or boat sailing off.

Usually put in same ref, like first reef, on both sails at same time, so both sails are reefed.
Could do just one sail reefed with other sail not yet reefed but for that good balance you want to lower aft sail area first making fore sail have the bigger area.

Doug
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On Wed, 21/11/18, Björn bjornmail@gmail.com [harryproa] <harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au> wrote:

Subject: Re: [harryproa] Schooner vs. Telescoping
To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au
Received: Wednesday, 21 November, 2018, 5:49 AM


 









Doug, it makes sense that it sailed
well on the front sail only, because that would put the CoE
almost central. But with the aft sail, CoE might be at or
behind the aft rudder, which would make her tend to round
up. Also, the inertia and drag of the WW hull should enhance
that tendency.
If the
wind is too strong for one sail, I imagine that it would be
a lot of work to hoist/reef at every shunt though.

On Tue, Nov
20, 2018, 15:40 StoneTool owly@ttc-cmc.net
[harryproa] <harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au
wrote:















 












Doug:
   
What did you specifically dislike
about the Ballestron rig?    I've heard nothing
negative about
them from people who actually sailed them....   The
"usual
suspects" of course can't say anything good
about anything that
isn't 100% conventional.........



    
                               
                           
                               
   
                        H.W.








On
11/20/18 2:53 AM, Doug Haines
doha720@yahoo.co.uk
[harryproa] wrote:




 



Schooner was great. 
Didn't like the
ballestron.



Only had a little trouble with
schooner if trying
to sail on only the aft sial.
Could sail on only forward sail
on its own with no
worries.



May or may not be exactly
similar handling for
other Harrys. 
Could be by boat was lacking in
build quality in
the mast and sails department.



Never seemed to be an issue,
mostly just laziness
of only wanting to raise both sails.



Doug
WA






On ‎Tuesday‎, ‎20‎
‎November‎ ‎2018‎
‎04‎:‎34‎:‎25‎ ‎PM‎
‎AWST, Rob Denney
harryproa@gmail.com
[harryproa]
<harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au>
wrote:









 




oops
when required.
  Single mast, single sail
shunting
requires a lot more finesses
than
schooner shunting.



The other way
to shunt reliably is to lift
the new
front rudder which moves the
clr aft of
the coe.





On Tue, Nov
20, 2018 at
3:01 PM Rob Denney <harryproa@gmail.com>
wrote:




Pulling
telescoping masts up
and down is
more effort than it is
worth, plus
there are additional
things to
break and go wrong. 
Taller
schooner rigs will
give you light
air performance and
reef when re




On Mon,
Nov 19, 2018
at 11:48 AM Rick
Willoughby rickwill@bigpond.net.au
[harryproa] <harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au>
wrote:




 



That is
providing the
shunt does
not fail. If
the shunt
fails you are
just going
sideways
unless you
can shift the
CLR aft or
the CoE
forward or
both.  The
big rudders
will do the
first
providing you have
water depth
to play
with.  The
schooner rig
will do the
latter.  So
with big
rudders and
schooner rig
it would be
extremely
unlikely for a
shunt to
fail and should
never be
caught in
irons.  May
not be able
to tack but
should
always be
able to shunt
successfully
without
motor
assist.



With the
18m proa the
rudders are
just on the
verge of
being able to
sail out of
irons but it
takes
minutes of going
sideways
with the
leading
rudder

perpendicular and the
aft rudder
in line to
get it to
slowly swing
off the
wind.  When
tight
tacking in a
narrow
channel we have
the windward
thruster
energised
and ready to
drop down if
needed to
get moving
after a
shunt.
  



Rick





On
19 Nov 2018,
at
10:50 am, Mike

Crawford mcrawf@nuomo.com

[harryproa] <harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au>

wrote:



The
good
news is
that
with the
proa
I'd never
have
to worry

about blowing a
tack
to close to

shore and then

heading into the

rocks.  

























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