Subject: Re: [harryproa] Asymmetry
From: "Doug Haines doha720@yahoo.co.uk [harryproa]" <harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au>
Date: 3/2/2019, 6:04 AM
To: "StoneTool owly@ttc-cmc.net [harryproa]" <harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au>
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Hi Stonefish,

I understand this much, that there is the design that is like basically one long thin hull with a mast and then simply ballast off to one side of it.

The most useful pictures I have seen of this are the elementary in the photos section one the beach that had one beam going out to just a swivel chair (borrowed from some school or uni) with a rudder/dagger boards under it that turned as the helmsman swiveled in the chair. A bit radical and maybe it could have been sailed if really good. 

But the idea is that if you take it to the extreme situation then you only reallt need one hull as long as there is the ballast out to one side.

Sensibleness suggests that you at least have something of a ww hull to account for at rest and when you don't manage to keep it flying non-stop.

The other design that looks like this extreme variety of HP was the I think "The Race" entry or something, where rob drew a 100'er. It had almost no ww hull.

Even the elementary camper that I had was a bit shorter than usual in the ww hull and I guess that was because you'd hopefully be getting a little radical and so be able to skim the ww hull a bit and hence it could be shorter and fatter.

So from that perspective of pure performance and speed it is something the HP can do because of being a proa and the ww hull is always to windward.

For a cruiser I think you could have a closer to 1:1 lengths.

Doug


On ‎Friday‎, ‎1‎ ‎March‎ ‎2019‎ ‎01‎:‎45‎:‎14‎ ‎AM‎ ‎AWST, StoneTool owly@ttc-cmc.net [harryproa] <harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au> wrote:


 

    When I was in school, it was said that the only stupid question was the one that you didn't ask, and I was always the one who asked the questions other children were embarrassed or afraid to ask. 

    This may have been asked here before.... If so please forgive my re-asking it.   What is the rationale behind having two unequal length hulls on an HP.   This is a signature feature of Rob's designs, as is the cabin in one hull, and the Aerorig, and the multiple rudders, all for obvious reasons.    The reason for the long slender hull under the mast(s) is not so obvious to me.

            I can close my eyes and conjure up an image of a "TikiProa", with one or two free standing masts in one hull of a wharram, and a cabin  on the opposite hull that extends out over the bridge deck, and the "Dennyrudders".     I know of no catamaran of any kind that has a single mast in one hull, nor have I heard anybody make a case for why it would not work.    I've toyed with the option of having a mast in only one hull on a catamaran, versus a biplane rig or central mast (all free standing).   

    At first glance the photo below looks like the mast is in the near hull (stbd) and unstayed..... it clearly is neither.   The sterns have less freeboard than the bows, but that's a trivial issue.  It isn't much of a stretch of the imagination to turn this into a "tiki proa".   


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