Subject: Re: : Re: [harryproa] HP balance
From: "=?UTF-8?B?QmrDtnJu?= bjornmail@gmail.com [harryproa]" <harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au>
Date: 3/27/2019, 9:27 AM
To: harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au
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harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au

 

Eruttan, you asked earlier about tweaking the software. I didn't do that. I literally only did what I wrote, because I didn't have much time. I have played a lot with that software, so I use it "fluently". Grabbing the screenshots and writing the email took more time. The SW results showed that what I had stated earlier in the thread was wrong. I had stated that the cambered bidirectional would likely have a higher peak lift coefficient, but it had a lower than the NACA12.

Thanks to Rick's email about cavitation, I also could make an Excel sheet to investigate cavitation. I noticed that the P30212 starts to cavitate at a pretty low speed, around 25 knots, which I guess is not ideal for a fast boat. But a HP cruiser probably won't reach that speed. NACA12 and H105 doesn't cavitate until over 40 knots, so is better in that regards. At low speed/high lift, the NACA is more likely to cavitate than the P30212 though. But I had to downsize the 0,8 m2 rudder to 0,2m2 to see cavitation in that situation.



On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 1:40 PM '.' eruttan@yahoo.com [harryproa] <harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au> wrote:
 



| No - I do not agree. The bidirectional board is gives better
| windward performance than unidirectional rudders. The bidirectional
| board is better than rotating rudders because the rudders are
| symmetrical foils so will be less efficient at generating lift than
| the board designed for a narrow range close to zero AoA.

Yep I had a brain problem. Rotaters need to be symmetrical. My mistake.

But flipping rudders can be unsymmetrical, unidirectional, sharp trailing edged and otherwise, fully optomized.

| We aimed
| for 3mm radius on the edges of the board and achieved close to that.
| The unidirectional rudders were built at a boat yard and actually
| have thicker trailing edges thicker than that. It is not unusual
| for unidirectional rudders with a 500 chord having a trailing edge
| with larger radius than 3mm.

Yep, sharp trailing edges in glass are a problem. There are several techniques, but the bidirectional board needs to be small radius and round, not sharp. AFAIK, tough to do. Good job on getting there.

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