Subject: Re: [harryproa] Dragging a prop
From: "Rick Willoughby rickwill@bigpond.net.au [harryproa]" <harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au>
Date: 7/31/2019, 8:46 PM
To: "harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au" <harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au>
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The motor/generators in use are ME1003.  They are rated at 72V and 3000rpm.  They have a claimed mechanical maximum speed of 5000rpm.  As a generator we spun up to 3600rpm, which is 85V.  It was a generator that flashed over but we had previously run it at 85V in perfectly dry conditions when newly installed without flashing over.  So I believe moisture in the engine box and surrounding air contributed to the flashover.  The brush cover had some surface rusting inside indicating moisture in the brush housing.


In the new configuration there is a generator for each propulsion unit and they will produce about 60V at full engine revs.  

These motor/generators are rated at 200A continuous.  The Kv is 41rpm/V.  

You can certainly buy higher voltage controllers.  In terms of the overall system cost it is not that significant to go for a higher voltage but you would need to check that its adjustments allow for the conditions you might encounter.  You may also need to read the fine print though because it may have problems handling a runaway condition.  The first controllers used on the 18m proa were not capable of reversing if the prop was still turning.  The supplier suggested we should drop the anchor and come to a stop by that means then select the new direction and lift the anchor; not a practical option approaching a marina with a tail wind.  The controllers we found that could reverse with props still spinning have a maximum rating of 60V.  

You can bet you will be at the bleeding edge trying to regenerate on a fast, lightweight sailing boat using the propulsion system.  If you can only motor in one direction then you have cut the possible usage to 50%.  You will not want to use when going to weather.  That is also 50% of the time so now down to 25%.  You will not use it if sailing below 6kts on any point because it will kill speed just being in the water.  You will not want to use it in conditions above 15kts of wind because the sea conditions will be demanding and you will not want to have the complication of a tender in the water.  So there could be a useful window for regeneration around 5 to 10% of your sailing time.  The limited opportunity to get something out of it means that you should not be relying on it.  

Rick


On 31 Jul 2019, at 2:01 pm, '.' eruttan@yahoo.com [harryproa] <harryproa@yahoogroups.com.au> wrote:

Let me clarify my question.
What is the absolute max RPM the MOTOR is rated for?
What voltage would be needed to drive it at this RPM?
What amperage?
What voltage and amperage would it generate if spun at that RPM?

'The existing controllers' are not all possible controllers, right? One could have a controller that handles these voltages for regeneration?

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