"Arto Hakkarainen" wrote:
| Mike Interesting plan you have. Please let us know how it develops. Access to marinas and crowded ports is one issue I keep wondering about.

For the non sailor, could you detail your concerns? Or is it just the obvious 45' x 23' boat in a crowd of monos?

| BTW West Marine doesn't allow EU residents to access their website. Their response to the GDPR (the EU regulation regarding privacy issues) is blocking the entry of all EU residents.

Ha! Does this work? Can you see the West images?

https://www.google.com/search?q=Go-Anywhere+Low-Back+Seat+2&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X

Did you talk/email them? I find a lot of tech disability in the marine crowd.

|   The offer still stands!  Though it works out that you didn't make it to Maine this summer because the catamaran has been on the hard all season getting a paint job. 

Better excuse than mine. Lets go with that.

| I might have a 19' monohull in the water for the month of October, but sadly, that's all I'll be sailing this year.

I'll pour one out for ya.

|   Perhaps next year.

I am kinda aiming at it. I get to miss the build party in Oct too!

| All,
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|   My goal for a maxi-trailerable would remain the same. 
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|   The second-generation renderings of the Ex40, now offline, are slowly convincing me that it could be the perfect boat.  Perhaps my goals for more size were just reflexive, and I really do want to make it as trailerable as possible.

|   The first-generation renderings of the Ex40, also offline, are also slowly convincing me that a shorter folded boat for transportation is also a good idea.  Given that I only plan to transport the boat twice per year, originally I didn't care about length.  But after watching 46' roof trusses scrape trees on two corners in our road while building our house, I can see the wisdom of bows that fold up.

Apparently Steiner Is building furiously this summer, and will set all the harryproa.com things right when he can't build anymore.

I got some? Ex40 pic's in the file section, under Ex40. I was unaware of the generational differences between the renderings. Or is the fold up bows the 2nd gen?

With the bows folded/removed, it becomes a rather small package to tow, especially compared to, say, a 30' RV. Low and light, so it should be relatively easy to tow. Width extensions on basically any flat bed should work?

Have the removable bows actually been implemented on boats? Is there any reason for concern?

|   So, the goal:  the widest 40-48 footer, with the integrated
| tender/outboard, that can scissor-fold down to 12' wide for
| transportation. 

I want to ask if telescopic tapered beams might be a reasonable option? Even if there are 3 beams per side, they seem simpler/lighter than scissors. Also can winch in and out?

But probably scissors are better. Worth it to discuss?

| Tillers with bidirectional foils highly preferred,

Or the flip tiller with symmetric unidirectional foils?

| along with designed sockets for lifting poles to raise the full masts and lower them onto stubs.

Is stubs better than holes?

|   That might allow for slightly more space in the new Ex40, but I can't tell.  It already looks like it would take up every bit of 12' when folded.
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|   Currently the only change or upgrade I'd make would be to add attachable curved aft "seatbacks" so you can lean back against something solid while facing forward, instead of craning your neck to the left or right for hours on end. 
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|   Perhaps they would have knobs that drop into keyhole slots on the hull, or fasten in place with industrial velcro, or internal highfield levers that hook into padeyes on the hull, or maybe lashings that do the same thing.
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|   It would be easy to add just the seatback with legless padded folding deck chair (https://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-marine--go-anywhere-low-back-seat-2--10385656), but I'd rather build it out of glass for the following reasons:
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|     - It would look intentional, and work with the boat's beautiful
| lines.
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|     - It would feel more emotionally secure.  My current open-deckcatamaran has nothing to stop the crew from being washed over the transom, and while this has never been a problem, it feels very dicey when seas go past 4', even with a harness and tether.
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|   Kind of like the the new drop-in cockpit for Bucket List (solid, secure, comfortable, and looks intentional) versus sitting on the tramps. 
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|         - Mike

I could not find anything to cut out of your comments. Very insightful I think.

Seems easy to add a removable/movable seat back at 45° to the boat, to make longer hauls more comfortable. Perhaps with an integrated harness/seat belt?

Current layout looks great for entertaining with people, but harder weather one could yank the seat back out of the toy box and feel a bit safer?